Update to Dungeon Mounts?

We have begun discussing in staff on if there should be updates for dungeon mounts. Currently, dungeon mounts have no practical use aside from travel and that is it. We are debating if dungeon mounts should be given non combat B-Tier to A-Tier passives for they can be more useful and practical in threads. This update would also allow for Beast Tamers to make dungeon mounts into combat beasts, as Beast Tamers do not receive Magic Weapons or Magic Items for their class.

It was also discussed if we should give dungeon mounts more durability like item durability, for they do not fall over and die permanently from just one lethal attack. This may come with a revival system for dungeon mounts, but only if people want it.

More dungeon mounts will be coming out for purchase with the new dungeons coming at a later date.

Update to Dungeon Mounts?

No, they are designed for a Decreased WC for travel threads. Passive effects would make them combat beast which should be left to beast tamers. I agree with beast tamers should be able to train them to combat pets but thats as far as it should go.

Making them combat capable with make a meta for them early game. But by B tier and up the usefulness of a combat mount would be pointless as you could use abilities or traits by that time to move faster. Flight speed surpasses this with ease. Ultimately they would required for B tier and lower and then become pointless.

I voted no, but It only brings me back to the earlier concerns that  Julius mentioned. Implementing a limitation to those who haven't bothered picking up beast tamer could fix this before it becomes too meta. For those who haven't bothered picking up the class, the traits and durability limitation should be weaker in rank.  Probably shouldn't even succeed B rank, while the a tiers and the "occasional omega tier mount we wont see in a while", should be left to those who picked up the beast taming traits.

Dungeon mounts, as creatures who came from the dungeons themselves and were domesticated, probably a fast way to achieve pusedo legend beasts since they have something unique to it.  They can do the conversion but in all honesty, durability rules for beasts are nonexistent and would take away the only thing that would make these dungeon beasts valuable, their longevity. I doubt anyone is going to do that.

Some ideas,  B rank mount could have either 2 C's or one B rank passives, and so on.  Make them valuable but not too much.  Strength and speed can match it's rank.

TLDR- No limitations in place makes it too invaluable for those who haven't bothered choosing the class in the first place. If you were to give beast tamers something, it would only concern beast tamers, not a worldwide change that allows more people without the class to capitalize on what we have.

It is an item, it should have some sort of durability according to rank. To make it suitable to tamers and non tamers, just have it carrya bonus non combat trait. This way, you get an additional trait or two as a tamer, but still have a userful bonus as a non tamer. To balance, it could take a henchman slot.

It is not taking away from Beast Tamers. It is also not meant to be a Beast Tamer only update. This is a Dungeon Mount update. It is to just make Dungeon Mounts more viable for whoever has one or buys one, rather than making Dungeon Mounts glorified travel devices. Nowhere in the rules does it say Dungeon Mounts have to only be only glorified travel devices, and that an update cannot change that.

Dungeon Mounts would not be used as combat items. Rather used to supplement somebody in combat, or help them escape from a situation or dupe someone with the Passive. That is all.

If you want an enemy of the Beast Tamer, please go look at the NPC System. As far as I am concerned, it is really just the Beast Tamer System but without using Stamina and accessible to them. An update to Dungeon Mounts would not make Beast Tamers less special. Rather it would be able to give them a new perk that others would not have, and that would be Dungeon Mount taming to be a combat beast. I don't see what is so evil or wrong about giving Dungeon Mounts a Passive of C-Tier or B-Tier value.

Dungeon Mounts are not able to protect themselves. For that reason, durability should be allowed for them. That or allow them to have registered armor. This discussion anyhow only began because of how underused and unpractical that Dungeon Mounts are for the cost, not cause we wanted to give Beast Tamers more. However, under suggestion from Diana, I shared that idea around. Frankly in my opinion, Beast Tamers are already very strong for a class.

100% no armor for mounts, until we have an armor system for PC players

We do, it is called armor.

No we have Magic tools that give armor, we do not have actual armor or an armor system.

Nobody stopping someone but registering armor as an item.

No armor.

So 3 people want Dungeon Mounts to be glorified travel devices for their price, okay. Nobody has come forward with an actual valid reason I feel. We don't need Dungeon Mounts at all if they are just travel devices and not useful at all in character or practical.

Remove Dungeon Mounts?

Fair.

Fair

That was a bluff.